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The Secret to Sober Dating

December 17, 2018
Harmony Place Team

While I am neither an accredited expert in the field of “sober dating” nor am I an expert on dating in general for that matter… I can, however, attest to the fact that I have probably gone on over 150 dates in the last eight years of my recovery and I believe that experience is a crucial aspect to any legitimate words of wisdom, so in my mind, that gives me somewhat of a soapbox to stand on. While a serial monogamist before I got sober, entering the realm of dating without that social lubrication and innate ability to sweep red flags under the rug… dating in sobriety has been difficult (to say the least). When I reflect upon my dating career, I can’t help but think of the Rod Stewart classic chorus line from his hit single, “Ooh La La.” IF ONLY, “I knew what I know now… when I was younger… and stronger” (for that matter).

I have gone on so many horrific dates with people that I immediately knew would not result in a “love connection” that I am constantly reminded of Chelsea Handler’s story about going on a date with a guy, who flat-out exclaimed, “Chelsea, you really don’t need to drink so much for me to enjoy your company… You’re a super funny, fascinating girl as it is… without alcohol!” And without missing a beat… she pauses… collects her composure and replies, “hey buddy, thanks for the insight, but I’m not drinking because I think that I need to make myself more interesting… I’m drinking to make YOU (and this date) slightly tolerable…” Oh… how I’ve yearned for the freedom to have one… (or ten) glasses of wine, while sitting through mind-bogglingly boring first date “getting to know each other” stories… 100% painstakingly sober.

However, some of the best advice I have ever gotten in regards to dating came from a sober sister of mine that I grew up with in North Carolina, who informed me that long-lasting love is not supposed to be a fireworks explosion… because inherently, what goes up, must come down. “True love,” she said, “should feel more like a warm campfire… it’s sweet, comforting, and someplace you feel safe and want to return to relatively soon, but it’s no fire drill.” However, I have generally opted to forego the romantic, leisurely walk down The Yellow Brick Road, opting for the roller coaster relationships from hell instead.

Furthermore, I will always remember the infuriating advice I received from my grand sponsor (aka my sponsor’s sponsor) one evening after one of my very first AA meetings… She came up to check in on me to see how I was feeling, as she knew I was going through a break-up and hated every second of my first one to two dozen AA meetings… “I am absolutely, positively, miserable, thanks for asking,” I mumbled, as I stared lifelessly into her bright, starry eyes. Devra, my grand sponsor, assured me that despite my current situation, “God had a plan for me and it was better than anything I could ever imagine for myself…” I found that to be a ridiculous statement and thought to myself, “clearly this woman has never been inside of my head because I can imagine some pretty decadent and incredible sh!t.” She went on to tell me that, “sometimes rejection is God’s protection,” and that, “people often break up in early sobriety, as one rarely even knows who he or she really is (without a drink in toe).” Besides, she said, “you honestly have no idea how much positive change you have to look forward to! You wouldn’t want to sell yourself short now, would you? Level water seeks level water, ya know?” I was aware of The Law of Attraction; however, I didn’t see how it applied to me, as I had not “lost” all that much when I decided to get sober… everything still looked rather “perfect,” from the outside looking in… but, up close… I was a total Monet.

Unfortunately, I found out the hard way that in my most frenetic and unstable moments (aka early sobriety), I am pretty much a magnet for toxicity. For example, in my first few months of sobriety, I dated this guy, who on paper could not have been a better catch. He was a millionaire, surfer from New York City that owned a hedge fund and had played football at Princeton during his undergrad years… Three years later… I saw that same man on the cover of  The New York Post because he had shot his father in the head, execution style, for “threatening to lower his allowance.” No joke that actually happened.

Four years later, when I had to go to inpatient rehab, I fell in love with a con man, whom I subsequently married two months later… contributed to my relapse, and whom I waltzed in and out of psychosis with for over a year… only to find myself heartbroken, divorced, emotionally and financially bankrupt, as a result of the “unconditional love” I had for this man. Let’s get something straight… In my opinion, love should actually be conditional. If a man or woman is abusive in any way shape or form, he or she is not deserving of your love and kindness and don’t let he or she convince you otherwise. I assure you that you are not the “crazy one,” aside from the fact that you haven’t left yet. I assure you… it will only get worse, never better. That particularly popular and emotionally abusive tactic is called, “gaslighting,” and it has caused me incredible amounts of sickeningly painful memories, in which I had no idea which way was up or down.

In conclusion, although I have apparently not mastered “the secret to sober dating” myself over the last eight single years of my recovery, I have learned that maybe there were some chunks of truth dropped on me in early sobriety, and I probably could have avoided a whole lot of tears and psychological torture if I had simply listened to the more experienced, elders for once. Upon reflection, I do believe that if there is a secret to dating in general, it lay in the words of wisdom, my southern friend explained to me along the Venice Boardwalk when she referenced the campfire analogy many moons ago.

Unfortunately, we can’t all be like Chelsea Handler and do not have the luxury of drinking ourselves into toxic relationships any longer. We actually have to take the time to get to know a person before heading to the chapel to get married. I got sober when I was 30, and all of my friends were or were about to be married, while I had just been dumped in the psych ward. I wanted so badly to move into the next phase of life with the “normies,” as if we were all going off to college again. I believed it was my time. Where the f*ck were my cash and prizes, I was sick of this “treat others as you would want to be treated” bullshit, only to get taken advantage of by a bunch of jerks. I was so obsessed with marriage that almost every guy I met, I stopped and wondered, “could this be “THE ONE?” It was very reminiscent of The Ugly Duckling children’s story, in which the ugly duckling wanders aimlessly around the pond asking every Dick, Jane, and Sally, “are you, my mother?” and is consistently rejected, before she shows everyone, “not to judge a book by its cover,” and blossoms into a beautiful swan. I regret that I never really took the time to pause and appreciate the satisfaction that I got/get from just hanging out by myself. I actually really enjoy my own company and require “alone time” to function in society and to not take for granted the good times I experience when hanging out with good people.

And… trust me… I am acutely aware of the fact that addicts and alcoholics generally insist on learning the hard way… however, it doesn’t have to be that way. Just like you never have to drink or use again… you also never have to engage in unhealthy, toxic relationships again. That is not only a choice but it is also a profoundly lonely existence (from my experience). So… I beg you to please (at least try) to listen to a sister that wants nothing more but the best for you and has also been through hell and back in sobriety… “LOVE,” whatever that actually means (I’m not so sure anymore), will always remain that fleeting feeling between loneliness and heartache unless you take the bull by the horns and solemnly swear to give up the drama addiction for good and to at least try being content enjoying some delicious s’mores around a warm campfire.

Harmony Place is located within the vicinity of Los Angeles area. Here at Harmony Place, we know how hard it is to start the road to recovery from drug and alcohol addiction. Our medical team and staff have many years of experience with helping countless of people come off of drug and alcohol addiction while having compassion and patience for those recovering. We have many services to cater to each individual in regards to their lifestyle and budget. Our inpatient detox center is made to make everyone feel safe and at home, our outpatient detox treatments are for those who cannot take time off from work or family, and we have other services to cater to any other lifestyles so detoxing is made easier for those wanting to heal from drug and alcohol addiction. Take our Alcohol Assessment Test to see if you or a loved one might have an alcohol addiction.

Contact us today for further information over our services and see which one fits for you or a loved one. Don’t think you are alone; we are here to help you on your road to recovery.

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At Harmony Place, decades of clinical expertise meet genuine compassion and individualized care, because recovery isn’t just about sobriety; it’s about rediscovering who you are. Founded by a therapist who has seen addiction’s toll firsthand and refused to give up, Harmony Place is a sanctuary where evidence-based treatment and real human connection come together to create lasting change.

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  • A gourmet chef
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Real Patient Reviews

Read stories from real people who found hope and healing at Harmony Place.

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I've been to 12 rehabs over the last 20 years and NO other place has touch like Harmony Place! From the owner right down to the cleaning lady, everyone here is kinda and warm. God has blessed this place and I feel privileged to have come through here. I recommend anyone who is going through their struggle with mental health or substance abuse to pick up the phone and come! You won't regret it!
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This place is incredible, kind, loving, patient, rigorous, educative, caring and the best place for recovery. Ill be part of the alumni crew
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I had very good experience at Harmony Place From first day I came, staff was very kind and make me feel welcome and safe. Everyone was friendly and always try to help me. The therapists are very good and caring. They listen to me and help me understand my problems better. I learn many things from them and feel stronger because of their support. The nurses also very nice and professional. They always check on me and make sure I am okay. Food was good and facilities were clean and comfortable. It help me feel more relaxed and focus on my recovery. Management also doing very good job. Everything was organized and you can see they really care about patients. I am very thankful for this place and all the people who work here. I recommend this center to anyone who needs help.
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Awesome place great people u want to check this place out most definitely 😜
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A treatment center where the owners truly care about your recovery and after care.. cannot recommend enough
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If you want to detox painlessly this is the place! The staff is A1. They truly care about us. The groups are awesome . Residential is crazy awesome! You live in a mansion. With a private chef who makes the best food. Community meeting that gets results fast, they care about your opinions. Pool and Jacuzzi are beautiful. If your struggling with addiction this is the house you should come to. I LOVE HARMONY PLACE!!!!! Thank you to all the staff they go above and beyond to make this experience comfortable therapeutic. Don't spend another day in your addiction come to Harmony Place right now!
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I’ve been to 4 treatment centers before Harmony Place, and I can tell you without a single doubt that this is the absolute best by FAR. The past ones were luxury Residential Treatment centers that just treated every single client the same not tailoring to each individual, and were basically just in it for the money, dropping the ball each time. I can also tell you that I’ve never met the CEOs, but here, David comes to the facility almost every single day, and makes sure he get to know every individual here. He is incredibly kind, and was even willing to transfer me to another facility with a higher level of trauma therapy due to me having a lifetime of trauma and PTSD that just is going to take a long time to tackle. He truly cares about all of the clients having all of the tools that we need before getting released to the real world. No more of other CEO would ever be willing to miss an opportunity at making more money and even paired with my IMPECCABLE case manager to find a different facility that was more trauma based. My case manager, Sam, goes absolutely above and beyond in every single aspect. She makes sure you have a smooth transition into aftercare, provides out of this world advice when it comes to sobriety, and takes the time out of her day to make sure that FMLA and short-term disability are completely taken care of during your stay. I’ve never met a case manager that could ever compare to Sam. Ever. I feel lucky to have met her, genuinely. Marissa, my therapist, is SO SWEET, actually listens to you, and provides advice and therapy tailored to each individual’s experience. She’s handled every mood I’ve been in, never judged me, and allowed me to feel safe enough to tell her things I’ve never told any person or therapist in my 29 years of life. I’ve been going to therapy for the past 15 years, and none of those therapists even come close to how amazing she is. I’ve been to 4 other treatment centers in my life and none even come close to Harmony Place. The facility is clean, organized, and high-end. I would recommend Harmony place to my family, friends, and anyone seeking treatment. I feel SO BLESSED to have landed in their hands. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE IN THE CLINICAL STAFF BEYOND WORDS. I love you guys ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️. I feel more confident than ever in my Recovery.
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Where to begin.. Harmony is a place that will forever be a part of my story as the first step in my recovery journey. I’m so grateful for this program. The staff is very friendly, and many of them understand what addiction is like, for they themselves have recovery stories of their own. They have an awesome team of therapists, group facilitators, nurses, RA technicians, medical and health professionals, a wonderful case manager for aftercare that cares deeply for your next steps; making sure you are set up for success. They have a wonderful admissions team (shoutout to Marielle who was so kind and understanding of my messed up situation). Everyone is very relatable and friendly. They invest heavily in the importance of diet and nutrition too - there’s a full time professional chef. I gained all the weight I lost and wanted back in the first two weeks lol. On top of the intensive programming they do throughout the day, they take us out to experience various kinds of outside groups to get a taste of the real world, and also take us on social outings during the weekend. If you’re serious about getting better this place will meet you where you’re at and prepare you to launch with a renewed mind and heart.
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I can't begin to explain just how amazing Harmony Place is. In fact, when we sit down with the owner, Jeff, and clinical director, David, on Monday mornings to have a house meeting, they ask us what they could be doing better. A bigger blender for smoothies is the ONLY thing we could come up with. Let me begin by addressing some negative reviews. If you notice many of them are from people, or are referring to people who have been asked to leave. It is because of harmony places protection of their clients that provide ideal conditions for healing and progress. There is a screening process that it is implemented where they make sure the clients they admit are ready to start a life of sobriety. Some people slip through the cracks. Some people find out a few days or weeks in that they've changed their minds. Some are inappropriate and break rules. It happens. When Harmony Place ask people to leave, It's because they are protecting the people who are here that want treatment. In effect, they're providing exactly what I needed for a genuine start to recovery. When I began my search for a treatment center, my requirements were that the facility's provide an environment in which its residents all want to be there and that it is ethically ran. I got that and so much more at Harmony Place. As well as a structured routine, they also provide a confidential and nurturing environment where one feels safe and where profound healing can begin. Their program offers a sound foundation where further progress in sober living is almost guaranteed. In group meetings, we enjoy getting to know ourselves again and with deeper understanding about why we are the way we are. We are provided with skills to handle real life. Its here that I've come to understand that its not addiction that has driven me to make a mess of my life. It is the trauma that I endured and not processing it correctly that lead to poor thinking patterns that opened the door to addiction resulting in poor life management. So we start at the bottom. Trauma. They help us understand that trauma has led to our own toxicity, what that trauma looks like and how to get out of our own way. Process groups help us learn how to take accountability and foster healthier relationships. I learned here that changing the way I think is absolutely possible and imperative to the healing process. Harmony Place offered me hope when I previously felt I was unfixable and a support team that truly loves me. Even after I leave here, I have contacts that almost demand I keep in touch and an alumni meeting where I can return to the facility on Thursday nights. I wasn't a 12 stepper when I came here but my first experience with it was not one where I was ready to stop using. I understand now that the steps will work for me. It's certainly is not the only modality that they teach. In one group, we are provided an opportunity to sit with a recently retired medical doctor to just ask questions. Another is with a nutritionist. There are a handful of people IN recovery that come to lead groups that are all accredited highly specialized where I felt understood and not judged. The knowledge I have gained here is life changing. It is also versatile and relatable for all types of people. my favorite group was dialectical behavioral therapy. There are breathing classes and sound bath groups and I started doing yoga in the morning. There's a dharma meeting they take you offsite that focuses on Buddhist values. A fantastic onsight chef provides three meals and you can have special requests. We facilitated our own Movie nights during free time. I cant forget to mention you get your own one on one meetings with your assigned primary therapist and there is comprehensive medical support complete with 24/7 nurses and a doctor that shows up throughout the week. If this is what you need to recover and you have mediCAL, cancel your mediCAL and get insurance Harmony Place accepts if you can. There are people to help you with that as well. Just call. Many, many thanks to the staff. ✔️Another life changed.🙏
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This is such an amazing place truly changed my life. I would recommend this place to anybody if they’re looking for a strong recovery house that truly cares about your recovery and not about just money So if you’re ready to change your life, don’t miss out on the greatness of harmony because this place is where it’s at
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